Somehow I doubt it.

At first it sounds like an attention grabbing policy, that a petition delivered to Parliament containing 100,000 signatures will have to be considered for debate. But there are far too many weasel words in it for my liking.

I’ll hand you over to the loving embrace of the BBC (emphasis mine):

Campaigners who gather more than 100,000 petition signatures could have their ideas debated in Parliament, via a newly launched government website.

It allows popular petitions to be discussed by the backbench business committee of MPs, which has the power to propose debates on non-government matters.

So, if you get enough people together, there is the chance that your petition might be discussed by a backbench committee who might propose a debate which will be subject to the usual whippings and even if they did make it through a vote would then be subject to committee hearings, secondary debates and the Lords where if it survives it will probably be changed beyond all recognition.

To be honest this sounds more galling to me than just being told to sit down and shut up. They ask for our opinion, will make the flimsiest attempt to consider it and then punt it out of play while turning to us and sneering ‘well, we considered it, prole. What more do you want?’

Labour has said the petitions could lead to debates on “crazy ideas”.

Which I take to mean any idea they’ve not come up with.

It is lip service at democracy when not actually providing any at all. I’d be happier to see a policy of bit of legislation that means the submission of a petition of, oooh, let’s say, 1.5 million people forced the holding of a referendum.

There are currently two newspaper campaigns that have risen on the back of this. The Sun, ever the moderate, wants a debate about bringing back hanging. Forgetting of course that the ECHR precludes the death penalty. It is not a petition I would sign at any rate.

The Daily Express, slightly smarter than The Sun, has a petition calling for an EU membership referendum. This is a referendum I will sign. Assuming the debate is successful and we pull out of the EU, no doubt the Express would then start another one for the return of hanging.

However I really think it makes no odds. If you want out of the EU, I’d urge you to sign the Express’ petition anyway, just to send a message if one really were needed. But be under no illusions, the answer will be ‘nah, we don’t fancy it.’

The bunch of bastards sat in Westminster couldn’t give a damn about our opinion, and as Witterings from Witney points out, are starting to get spooked by us. Our best hope for getting out of the EU is to vote UKIP en-masse (unlikely) or wait for Cyprus, Italy and Spain to bring the whole house of cards down (much more likely). The problem with the latter is that it will cause us significant pain.

3 thoughts on “Somehow I doubt it.

  1. I don’t suppose for one minute that people will vote UKIP en masse in a British General Election, but I think they will in 2014 at the next EU Parliament elections. As they have no other democratic way of rejecting the EU, they will treat this as the EU Referendum they have been denied.

    We must still do our best to increase the UKIP vote – at the expense of both main parties but especially the CONservatives. There’s nothing like staring ejection from Office in the face to concentrate the minds of our arrogant Government.

  2. You seem to have emboldened the ‘odd’ get out words that make this yet another bit of ……….. (insert your own descriptive noun!)

  3. John Redwood rather gave the game away in his blog today

    “I myself do not think a western democracy is able to cut public spending by 10% in cash terms in a single year, given the politics and the way western governments are run”

    So not only does no-one offer that option it’s not possible anyway according to JR. I have requested we get no more lectures about pantomime ‘democracy’ because it seems to me that a great many people would want a 10% cut in government